tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post1799923333293660233..comments2023-11-21T12:51:59.908-08:00Comments on Murderboarding Inc.: Stigmata Turns To Stigma Haven S4E09 WilliamAnna Hammetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10095633218958433882noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post-68235268406128887532013-11-11T13:57:27.036-08:002013-11-11T13:57:27.036-08:00The Teagues did mention that in the Cabot journal,...The Teagues did mention that in the Cabot journal, Cabot wrote about his visit in 1497. According to real history that was the time of initial contact of foreigners in Maine. The Teagues seemed to mention that the Mi'kmaq described a dark period in their history when the 'soft spot' was breached but it seemed to highlight an escalation of Troubles that already existed. I'm thinking the Troubles were already there by that time, predating colonial occupation.<br />The Mi'kmaq have their own quite detailed creation story and mythology, perhaps William and Audrey are not Greek gods etc but represent these spiritual beings in Mi'kmaq culture or alternatively there was conflict between different types of gods.<br />Lightning is a key element in the Mi'kmaq creation story. We see a lightning bolt at the very start of the opening credits.<br />Despite what Howard said, I don't believe Audrey is human.Peridot81https://www.blogger.com/profile/03204762117936371835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post-79486139215948439652013-11-10T17:53:38.649-08:002013-11-10T17:53:38.649-08:00Just a further thought to maybe clarify the Persep...Just a further thought to maybe clarify the Persephone theory. Maybe William agreed to enter his prison, to be banished, to spend 27 years at a time with Audrey, but to allow her a year at a time to spend with her kind, or with her "children," which was supposed to be enough love and freedom to sustain her strength to be imprisoned with William during the "off" time. But only if her memory is wiped away. <br /><br />And maybe when she's in the barn she would typically remember her "true" identity, so maybe some of the Jennifer situation is here to somehow connect Audrey to her memories of time in the barn? We had been assuming that Audrey is basically sleeping or in stasis during her time in the barn, but maybe not. Maybe that's why William was so freaked out and aggressive in the bar/n, normally when he finds her in the barn (and maybe there is some hide-and-seek there, where he doesn't get to spend the full 27 years in there with her if she can avoid him), maybe she normally knows him and her "true" self, so encountering her as Lexie freaked him out.<br /><br />And maybe part of the whole curse is the irony - original Audrey may have agreed to be stuck in the barn with William, for the chance to be with her loved ones/descendants, but her return to them is associated with chaos and fear - she is relieved to get out of the barn, they are relieved when she goes back in. William turned even what she loved against her.Nyxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17196366093553460915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post-5054369485364071472013-11-10T17:36:35.786-08:002013-11-10T17:36:35.786-08:00I'm wondering if more of a Greek mythology app...I'm wondering if more of a Greek mythology approach might work here, and I'm not sure we should abandon the love triangle. Say that William and Audrey were sort of gods who pre-date human civilization (or "travelers" from another dimension/world, something god-like to us). But Audrey falls in love with a "mere mortal." Or, IMO more compelling, is that William is a god and he fell in love with Audrey, a mortal, and she eventually leaves him for another mortal (possibly because she can't have children with William?). Audrey rejected the idea of immortality/eternity with William. As punishment for her choice of a mortal over him, William punishes the humans in the area. The descendants of the man she left him for? The descendants of Audrey and this man? Something like that. I wonder if this cycle is different because of the time loop with Nathan, with her falling in love with a man she had a child with, and whether maybe, at the beginning, she had to choose to abandon her child to enter William's prison to protect her child and all humanity, and it's not just romantic but maternal love that is at the core of all this, so the cycle that produced that echo with Nathan going back to Sarah and Audrey meeting James calls back to the original scenario.<br /><br />Audrey specifically asked Howard if she was even human, and he said she was. We distrust him, but I speculate that he couldn't tell her a direct lie, that may be one of the "rules." I tend to believe this, that Audrey may be "special," but not of the same nature as William. She may be immune to the Troubles as an effect of William's curse (he wants her to himself, would try to keep her from being affected). I tend to think that she's mortal/human, but he's not.<br /><br />I agree that what we know of "core Audrey" suggests that she may have agreed to spend the "off" part of the Troubles cycle in William's prison, free to be with mortals (her kind?) when the Troubles ramp up again. It has an echo of Persephone, spending part of the year in the underworld with Hades, unwillingly, as part of a bargain made to allow her to live the rest of the time in the light.<br /><br />I don't understand the First Nations angle here, though. Haven is supposed to be from the Micmac/Mikmaq name for the area, "haven for god's orphans," which suggests that the Troubles existed at the time the Micmacs gave the area that name, which I always took to mean before the white colonials arrived. However, one thing that has always bugged me about that is why are First Nations people talking about "god"? There were Christian missionaries who approached the Micmacs, so maybe the name wasn't given to the area until after white colonials had started to populate the area. That is, maybe the Micmacs named the area after colonials had already settled in and the Troubles had been triggered, then the town became a more formal concept and got a name? Maybe the Micmacs' legend is entirely prophetic and not based on their own experiences, so they were foreseeing Troubles that did not yet exist for them but would plague the colonials? (Side note: was Duke called "kemosabe" in 1955 Haven just because of his ponytail, or is Duke descended from First Nations people?).<br /><br />If Audrey is really human, and if she does truly come back looking the same, but with different memories each time, then how is she a white blonde woman if the native people have a history of Troubles, if she's at the root of the origin of the Troubles? This is my sticking point with the timeline thus far. <br /><br />However, if she and William are both gods or something similarly mythical, then how they appear may just be a reflection of the expectations of the time - maybe they would have appeared to be First Nations to the people around at that time.<br /><br />Anyway, I love your theories and the work you put into this.Nyxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17196366093553460915noreply@blogger.com