tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post7565298645922760841..comments2023-11-21T12:51:59.908-08:00Comments on Murderboarding Inc.: Be Unbroken Haven S5E25 NowAnna Hammetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10095633218958433882noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post-75086882076160439272015-12-23T23:27:41.317-08:002015-12-23T23:27:41.317-08:00Oh man, Steve and Bucky! Much feels about them, th...Oh man, Steve and Bucky! Much feels about them, though I'd agree there. <br />Honestly, that's probably the thing I find most interesting, the possible psychological effects of the kind of crap some writers put their characters through. I've always found it pleasantly surprising how much potential this show has hidden in its depths for exploring those sorts of things. I will begrudge no one liking the tendency towards romance as a focal point of pretty much everything on tv these days (it certainly has its place), but yeah. I have my biases too. PaintedWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02143841248201859328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post-31742394641978631542015-12-23T23:17:08.551-08:002015-12-23T23:17:08.551-08:00Yes, and the worst was, as I think I mentioned her...Yes, and the worst was, as I think I mentioned here somewhere, was I don't even think the writers realized what they did, which is just not fucking okay from any angle I can look at it from. Why can't Duke have had that chance to heal? It makes less and less and less sense, to the point where I'm only being comforted by at least Duke maybe believed he was a hero at the end? And yes, having Nathan have to bear that burden for the rest of his life, even as he builds something new with Paige and James? FUCKING WHY? (I think we could actually add that as a bridge to The Song of our People. I've been yelling it a lot lately)<br /><br />Yeah, I think there will always be A Thing about heteronormativity and all that. I do get it, but I agree this was just general bullshit bullshit on a lot of levels.PaintedWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02143841248201859328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post-75247383656705569032015-12-23T09:17:57.778-08:002015-12-23T09:17:57.778-08:00YEP. Honestly Kitty and I've been making priva...YEP. Honestly Kitty and I've been making private parallels to Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes for most of s5, both A and B, given how dark they COULD have gone with that shit. And did, in places! I just feel like nobody ever gets to go for the psychological realism side of things, on account of apparently that's boring.<br /><br />(My biases let me show you them.)<br /><br />Aw, thank you! We've enjoyed writing it, maybe not all the time but the majority of the time, and it's a very satisfying feeling to've done an ENTIRE show's run. (What stubborn there is no stubborn here.) And hopefully we'll get that post about future of the blog drafted over the holidays!Anna Hammetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10095633218958433882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post-86222030563116827352015-12-23T09:11:07.241-08:002015-12-23T09:11:07.241-08:00...thank you now I have the Guardians of the Beam ......thank you now I have the Guardians of the Beam rhyme stuck in my head. :P<br /><br />I'm... yeah, the more I think about Duke's death the less and less okay I am with it. I'm glad he got free of Croatoan for a little while! But that's not the same as getting a chance to heal and find a new self to be after all the trauma ever, and Duke DEFINITELY seemed like if he could just get to a place where there were no more Trouble-related crises, he would at least reconsider the suicidal impulses. But yeah. There was NO PAYOFF. None. Fuuuuck that. And for that matter I don't see how Nathan and Audrey-Paige are getting a happy ending now, with Duke dead and Nathan having to carry the weight of killing him. I just. Whut? No.<br /><br />(Kitty ran across someone ranting about it as heteronormative bullshit on tumblr, which I kiiiinda see but mostly it's just bullshit that ignores the characters they wrote.)Anna Hammetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10095633218958433882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post-49519217939975455802015-12-22T01:17:08.518-08:002015-12-22T01:17:08.518-08:00PaintedWolf I agree with your rants. You are not s...PaintedWolf I agree with your rants. You are not screaming into the void. The Studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10262267899515912310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post-43603661276357058192015-12-20T22:35:18.277-08:002015-12-20T22:35:18.277-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.PaintedWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02143841248201859328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post-27555209298428875092015-12-20T22:34:44.729-08:002015-12-20T22:34:44.729-08:00It's also interesting you bring up the rape me...It's also interesting you bring up the rape metaphor, since I've seen discussion on that before; how Duke's character is coded closer to the feminine in the sense that his body (whether you take it as his actual body in the exact sense this implies-and depending on people's readings of what his childhood might have been like- or just in terms of his Trouble) is used by other people. That's also considering the mind-rape storylines like Helena in season 1 (which, honestly, is about as close to actual rape as you can get without having to admit that's what it kind of was) and that kid in "The New Girl", his being on the worst end of William's mindfuck Trouble from "William," what Croatoan has just done to him, and also the fact that the Crocker Trouble is basically packaged with a neon fucking sign saying My Agency is Yours, like (since I'm probably going to read that recap once I can actually think straight again) how the Rev tried to use him as a weapon against the Troubles from the fucking grave, and something that was encouraged by his own damn father. Ugh, the injustice. <br />These comments have already got out of hand though, and since I'll probably have more to say on the recap for "Forever," I'd just like to say, I appreciate all the effort you've put into these recaps. I enjoy them immensely, and will enjoy them again most likely whenever I get around to my planned rewatch of the entire series. And also, it's always good to have had a place to vent the quite honestly alarming amount of thought I've had around this show, and I look forward to whatever it is you have planned for the blog going forward.<br />PaintedWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02143841248201859328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4271373189216022547.post-71049253719871706382015-12-20T22:33:54.414-08:002015-12-20T22:33:54.414-08:00Beware: here be unreasonably long comments:
Well, ...Beware: here be unreasonably long comments:<br />Well, if your troubles (I'm sorry) sleeping on Thursday had any similarity to my troubles sleeping on Saturday, I commiserate wholeheartedly. Honestly, I spent pretty much the whole of these 2 episodes clutching a fucking stuffed turtle my niece left lying around when she came to visit last. I'm not even joking. Because honestly, Duke's death just…it doesn't matter that I called it before 5B even started, I was not prepared for this. I'm not generally a crier unless I'm properly emotionally invested but that scene had me sobbing all over said turtle. Probably rather pathetically. I suppose there's some consolation in Duke having been able, at least possibly from his perspective, to give one last fuck you to his destiny, and that he died on his own terms, I guess. At least he also had the briefest chance to finally be who he is instead of who other people want him to be, for himself and no one else: Duke Crocker, Pirate and No One's BitchTM<br />I did also appreciate Audrey at least acknowledging that yes, she has used him as a tool to be wielded before, even though I don't believe that's how she saw him at least 90% of the time and there was at least some sort of broad addressing of one thing I've been bitching about since at least "Crush" that she and Nathan could have given more fucks for Duke's emotional wellbeing and the effect all of the trauma ever ultimately had on him. The problem, as you say, is that there was zero fucking reason for him to die. I would have accepted a Shot Down in a Blaze of Glory death that turned the tides against Croatoan, as the fulcrum thing from a few episodes at least hinted at. But there was no evidence Duke's death affected Croatoan in any way, no sign that not getting the Troubles Duke had in him hindered him in the least. Even the smallest little sign, a struggle to create his Rain Cloud of Doom, the break in whatever connection they had causing him to make a pivotal mistake, hell, even a frustrated comment to the tune of well, fuck, what am I going to do without Trouble X and a scramble to recalculate? Just, anything. I literally would have taken almost anything. I mean even that "we love you" and Nathan's "you're the bravest man I've ever known I owe you so much" (and now I'm suddenly thinking of that scene in "Ball and Chain" where Duke is dying and Nathan's all, "You're not going to die today. If you die it'll because I killed you myself" and fuck you all. Fuck you all so very much) and the glimpse of grief and the Table of Crocker Death and we'll bury him at sea with Jennifer and Nathan's teary-eyed, heart-wrenching grief would have held more weight if Duke didn't basically drop out of the narrative the instant he disappeared after spirit-guiding Dwight to his own happily ever after with Lizzie (because of course Duke fucking Crocker would be facilitating other people's happiness even when dead or whatever). I mean even the that's what he would want sounded hollow from the point of, oh now someone's thinking about what Duke actually wants too fucking late, and really, his death just reads less like Hero Dies Surrounded by the Ones He Loves and more assisted suicide as the final wish of a man who's been wanting to die for at least a little while now. Just, fucking why, writers? Nathan and Audrey were his best fucking friends, and he deserved more from them, and this show, than that.<br />PaintedWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02143841248201859328noreply@blogger.com