Monday, August 27, 2012

Tropes & Myths: Royals

What do we know? (updated 3x03)
Well, at the moment, we know a considerable amount more about Sean Renard than we used to. We know that he is a titular Prince at least, by virtue of being the son of either a Prince in direct line from the throne or the King himself. What exactly his official titles might be or what his father is Prince or King of, we don't know. We know that he's half-Hexen from the showrunners themselves, and that he was raised up to a point Europe, schooled in Switzerland, then dragged off to the US by his mother at a young age to avoid a potentially lethal scandal. While he eventually ended up in Portland, their destination at the time was referred to as "the farther reaches of the Louisiana Purchase" by Eric, of which Oregon was never a part. We have seen the Louisiana Purchase mentioned once before as connected to the metaplot, in the context of Aunt Marie's Montana license plate. Other than that, all we have is speculation, which appears below. We know that Renard is considerably monied judging by his places of residence. We know that he's descended at least from Eric's line by his father and most likely from some line involving Italy from either parent going by his comment about the painting (Island of Dreams, 1x15), which is 16th century and Italian. We know that his family on one side or both lost a great deal of power in a revolution, but contrary to common belief we do not know which revolution. There were a number of revolutions around the late 17th and through the 18th century in a number of different countries. We can extrapolate that he is still connected via his mother to some sort of Royal family influence because he knew Wolsey since he was a young man (Love Sick, 1x17) and at the very least he seems to have kept in sporadic contact with him. We know that he wears a wedding ring, We know that he wears a ring similar to a wedding ring but that apparently is not actually a wedding band, which gives rise to all sorts of questions about exactly what the hell it really is. We know that there is photographic evidence in his home of a significant woman in his life and a little girl, but no indication that either are currently present in his life. We know that despite the marriage relationship whether widowed (he could still be married, I suppose?) or separated he is comfortable sleeping with Mia Gaudot, although both rings are removed for the lovemaking scene. We know that he has also had a previous relationship with Catherine Schade, though the exact timeline of his marriage relationship and child in relation to his prior relationships with Mia and Catherine is unknown. He speaks French, German, Latin, English, Russian, and he still commands at least a small network of retainers or workers. We have learned that this network includes at least three people over in Europe (the Parisian, Gustavo, Duvall), two of whom are reported dead by the Parisian (whose name we later learned was Jacques) and one of whom was death-from-aboved on camera. Poor Parisian (Season of the Hexenbiest, 2x12). It is implied though never outright stated that the European associates are/were closer to his equals rather than being retainers. We have also learned (Nameless 2x16) that this network and its origins and goals are in alignment with the Resistance, but not a part of it. Here he refers to needing them "at least until we don't" and implies that their goals are similar: to prevent the accumulation of power by the Royal Families who want a return to imperialistic power. We have also learned that there is at least one other player named Meisner who causes some unease, but no word on who that is, where his allegiances lie (but we do know he is referred to by the male pronoun), or what his goals are. We now know (as of PTZD) that Meisner wears no Royal ring but that he is indeed capable of carrying out an assassination either personally or by hiring local assassins; also that he and Renard use the formal Sie when speaking to each other in German - and not French, as all of the Royal-to-Royal conversations have thus far been. We also know, as far as the man himself goes, that Renard considers what his brother did to his people, his city, or both in attempting to prise Burkhardt/the key out of Portland grounds for an assassination order.

As of this writing (Endangered 2x19) we know very little about Eric RenardWe know that he is a Prince in direct line of succession (to what we don't know; there may be multiple thrones involved), and at the very least he believes himself to have/have had a chance at securing his own throne. We know that he is pure blooded (pure WHAT remains an open question) and that although he is currently unmarried, he has had at least one two blonde female lovers, one of whom is Adalind who may now be pregnant with his child. We know that he takes betrayal poorly and rates it worse than torture or murder on the scale of transgressions. We know that keeps in contact with his Zauber half-brother, enough at least that they're aware of each others' phone numbers. He lives in a castle. He maintains a holding company/shell company/shipping company out of Rotterdam, and that's about it. Speaks German, French, English. (The Other Side, Over My Dead Body, The Kiss, Bad Teeth). By the time he died (PTZD 3x02) we'd learned a little bit more about him, in no small part from his obituary. We know that he was the Crown Prince of the Kronenburg family, which in no way explains the visible lack of wife and heir. We know that he considered controlling Nick Burkhardt and/or the key in his possession of such paramount importance that he was willing to supervise the proceedings in person and throw an entire city into chaos, engaging in an alliance with a Wesen to do so though there is a non-zero chance he planned to eliminate the Baron subsequent to the acquisition of his pet zombi Grimm. He extended an invitation to his half-brother to come back to Vienna and rejoin the family politics properly, taking up whatever he considered Sean's place to be (likely a subordinate/consigliere position), though the sincerity of that offer was in grave doubt.

Alas, poor Anton Krug, we knew him not very well and cared not a bit to know him further. For him, we know that he was a cousin to the brothers Renard, no inkling on which side. If it's father's, Wolsey was the Renards' retainer as well as the Krugs' and the Renards kept tacitly in touch with Sean's mother, if it was Sean's mother the Krugs aren't related to the Renards much at all. He has a German-speaking paternal family, from Zurich or at least near enough (or has business interests there) that he flew out of Zurich. We can guess he is/was likely considered expendable. Speaks German, French, English. (Love Sick)

As for the mysterious Mia Gaudot, we know that she is unmarried and has enough power within the Families to negotiate terms for them unaccompanied by any male member of her family. We know she is un-ringed, but not the meaning of that. We know she is a former lover of Sean Renard. That she has or is building connections to the Dragon's tongue. She speaks English and most likely Japanese. (Over My Dead Body)

Renard's canary is another one we know little to nothing about. We know that he's a royal, he has a ring. And access to Interpol databases. We know that he speaks French and English, that he considers himself allied with Renard in some endeavor that runs counter to at least one Royal Family's interests, and that he has reason to want to help Renard protect Nick or the key or both. We can infer from his reactions to proximate violence that he is unused to it. Most of all that isn't very helpful, though. We can add to that that he knows Meisner and has a more direct or more secure or both connection with him. He was the one to pass along the kill order on Eric Renard, and appeared more subordinate to Renard in that conversation than in any interaction previous. (Quill, The Good Shepherd, Nameless, The Ungrateful Dead) As of 3x03 we do have a name for him, though! Sebastien, who also seems to have upped his clandestine abilities and/or brushed off an old set of skills. We're not sure which, as yet.

We know that Papa Renard exists via a phone call to Eric Renard, though nothing beyond that, not even what he sounds like. Given the obituary in PTZD, we are clearly meant to infer that he's the king of the Kronenberg family, though it's possible that's a deliberate red herring.

We know that Renard's mother exists and that she is pleased by Eric Renard's death and believes (rightly) that her son was responsible. Also that she wants to talk to him in the future, with an implication that this will be an in-person conversation. Based on Renard's reaction to the phone call, we may safely assume that she's been out of contact with him for quite some time. (PTZD)

As for Royals in general, we know a little more. Most of them have rings, or at least all the men do, some sort of silver signet ring. We know that they employed Grimms starting from some point in the past going at least as far back as the second Crusade, (no data available on what the terms of this employment were or how and when this changed, though in Cat & Mouse Ian referred to some change that sounded recent as compared to an 800-year history, so 'recent' could be highly relative) and had a relationship with the Verrat. We have heard that they formed the Verrat in 1945, but considering we also have evidence for the Verrat having existed in 1936 it remains to be seen whether or not this is accurate. We know that they are diminished in power and that at least part of that diminishing coincided with a historically documented revolution. We know they participated in the Crusades or at least the Second and Third Crusades, they employed knights, and were pissed off when the knights didn't hand over the ultimate weapon to them. (Bad Teeth/The Kiss/One Angry Fuchsbau)


Drink Me

Though we hope Renard won't grow to be ten feet tall. He's tall enough, poor Nick doesn't need more of a crick in his neck.

I know, I know, we've been going over and over the first two eps of s2 with a fine toothed comb and one of those teensy archaeological brushes and we still aren't done. Still not done, you say? Why yes.

You see, I was going through the long (very long) list of things that Kitty and I noticed about the first couple of eps when I finally got around to doing the list of conclusions and assorted things that didn't fit neatly into the chronological play-by-play of last week's ep. (Which I realize outs me as the person who wrote second in that analysis, but still doesn't tell you where the switch happened. We're both deeply entertained by the fact that nobody's tried to guess that one.) And I abruptly realized that we forgot the potion.



Timeline: Grimm

This is an approximation of a timeline and only an approximation, based on available evidence from the show and our own knowledge of history. Updates will show up whenever we get new information. Dates and information with an attribution given in parentheses indicate that we don't trust the accuracy; coin-touched people are notoriously not good sources of anything other than doing whatever it takes to get the coins.



  • 700s BCE: Coins of Zakynthos are minted (according to Kolt).
  • 37 CE - 68 CE: Coins of Zakynthos held by Roman Empire (according to Kolt).
  • ?? CE - no later than 220 CE: Coins of Zakynthos held by Han Dynasty (according to Kolt).
  • 1147-1149 CE: Second Crusade. Germany provides over twice as many knights as France, and many of the German fighters were from southern Germany, including Bavaria and Swabia. Presumably  (given the history we have) the Wesen fought for the Royals and the Grimms fought for the Royals and kept the Wesen in line. 
  • 1187-1192 CE: Third Crusade
  • 1202-1204 CE: Fourth Crusade during which the seven ancestral Grimm knights fought for the Seven Royal Families and acquired (created?) the keys that form the map that lead to the treasure taken from the sack of Constantinople (that lived in the house that Jack built). (According to Kelly Burkhardt and even she admits it's based on legend and a solitary page of a diary.)
  • ??? CE: Death squads of Endezeichengrimm roam the countryside, killing Wesen indiscriminately and branding them and everyone/thing associated with them with the Sterbestunde brand. (According to Monroe's Alptraume für Wesenkinder.)
  • 1285 CE: The Wesen Wars, or one instance of them, during which the remainder of the Grimm diaries relating the story of the treasure and the sack of Constantinople were lost (according to Kelly Burkhardt). Also, Philip IV took the throne of France, which led to the eventual suppression and disbandment of the Knights Templar. We're sure this will be not at all relevant later.
  • 1480 CE - 1834 CE: Catholic Inquisition in power. Though we only have a line reference from Monroe about this so far, it's worth noting for later, between the Royal tropes and the Catholic tropes.
  • 1517 CE - 1648 CE: Protestant Reformation, beginning with the Ninety-Five Theses and ending with the Treaty of Westphalia. Again, not yet important within the show but included here as a major religio-political series of events that we anticipate the showrunners drawing from.
  • 1519 CE: Presumably October, though there should definitely be differing calendars here. A Grimm (reputed to be one of Nick's ancestors) joins with Hernando Cortes's army and marches to Veracruz to investigate rumors of La Llorona. (The entry says "we," so presumably the Grimm had backup.) Note that as of mid-August, Cortes had left a small force at Veracruz and begun his march on Tenochtitlan; in October of 1519 his army slaughtered the residents of Cholula, second-largest city in the Aztec empire. A week after All Soul's, Cortes entered Tenochtitlan peacefully and subsequently took it over, ruling through Moctezuma.
  • 1521 CE: The Code of Swabia is formed, dictating the extent of public Wesen behavior and establishing a punishment or set of punishments for revealing the existence of Wesen to humans or Kehreseite. This is called the Gesetzbuch Ehrencodex. Also notable for being the year the Diet of Worms occurred, which addressed the Protestant Reformation and Martin Luther's Ninety-Five Theses.
  • 1600s CE: Renard's ancestors in power. Also, the Wesen Council's first communication with the Royals and Grimms (at that time apparently a cohesive unit by how Rosalee said it), during which a treaty was forged allowing the Council to be in charge of handling the removal of the [??? we'll get you a name this Friday!] who are widely considered to be a severe danger to the Masquerade.
  • ???? CE: "The" Revolution, Renard's ancestors lose power. (Or at least the painting from Island of Dreams and "a lot of heads.") Which revolution? WHO THE FUCK KNOWS. Rarr. Common fandom assumption seems to be French due to the heads comment, but there were a lot of revolutions in the 18th and 19th centuries, to say nothing of quieter revolutions under cover of the Masq. Also, that assumes he means losing heads literally.
  • 1760 CE: October 31st, an entry in the Grimm diaries about La Llorona. This has potential Julian/Gregorian calendar issues, though it's possible the writers have discounted that.
  • 1791 CE: Haitian revolution, and the first known documentation of a Cracher-Mortel. Also documented is the Royal influence on the Haitian revolution and the fact that the Grimms were working for the Royals at this point in time.
  • 1835 CE: The HMS Beagle reaches the Galapagos Islands on September 15. A Grimm (reputed to be one of Nick's ancestors) is on board, and kills every Genio Innucuo s/he (probably he) finds.
  • 1901 CE: Dragon's Tongue founded.
  • 1902 CE: the type of Luger Waltz uses in Cat and Mouse comes into production.
  • 1926 CE: Date on the Luger Waltz uses in Cat and Mouse; whether or not his family acquired it in that year or shortly thereafter is unclear.
  • 193? CE/WWII: Hitler is a Schakal and has possession of 2 Coins of Zakynthos (that we know of). No date given on the film reel Nick watches at the end of Three Coins in a Fuchsbau, but it appears to be an earlier speech. Roughly contemporary with the reel from Franco's Spain, see below.
  • 1936 CE: Franco's Spain film reel regarding the Verrat.
  • 1945 CE: The Coins of Zakynthos from Three Coins in a Fuchsbau are recovered from Eagle's Nest and kept at Allied HQ; no knowledge of what happened to them in the meantime.
  • 196/7? CE: Kelly Burkhardt comes into her Grimm heritage at age 10.
  • 199? CE: Dragon's Tongue resurfaces with Yakuza ties, having gone underground during WWII. No date given, approximation of chronological order only based on our-world Yakuza history.
  • 1994 CE: Nick's parents (well, father and mother's friend) deaths; the Burkhardt-Kessler line loses control of the three Coins of Zakynthos.
  • ???? CE: A coins dealer in Munich acquires the missing Coins of Zakynthos.
  • ???? CE: Renard's mother absconds with him to the States (Montana?).
  • ???? CE: Sam Bertram acquires the missing Coins of Zakynthos.
  • ???? CE: Renard marries, has a daughter (no later than 2005 CE judging by photos of daughter and assuming loss is recent).
  • 2011-12 CE: Events of the show so far, including a game of hot potato with those damn coins (currently possessing Kelly Burkhardt so far as we know) and a massive series of power plays within the Royal Families to get their hands on the key Nick holds. Notably, the Families either don't know he had the coins or don't care about them nearly as much as they do about the key.

Thursday, August 23, 2012

Jesus Christ It's Renard Get In The Car Grimm S2E02 The Kiss

Okay. I will warn you in advance this contains massive impressive spoilers and will be huge. (ETA: Oh holy crow, this was 7500 words long??) This was a hell of an episode for Renard. It’s been a couple days and we’re still processing, although thankfully we got to chew over it a fair bit between then and now. Judging by some other recaps I’ve seen, it was a lot to chew on, too. This is also the first one where Kitty did not do all the actual text writing, although we always toss analysis and theories back and forth. So! Bonus cookies to anyone who spots the author change point.



So, a while back I was rewatching Legend and remembering how Tim Curry scared the hell out of me when I was a kid. A friend of mine made this icon for me. Then Renard turned all Diablo/Darkness/Lobster red and this was the first thing that came to mind. But I get ahead of myself.


Saturday, August 18, 2012

Family Matters Grimm S2E01 Bad Teeth

So. THAT happened. Also, I would like to register a complaint about the opening credits. I severely dislike them. Also also I would like to register a complaint about how much research frenzy the second season premiere induced in me and my partner in profiling. We spent far too many hours digging through our information base on the Crusades, the dynasties, the Holy Roman Empire…
We like chewing on the show, okay?? XD Don’t look at us like that.



I said don’t look at us like that!

Sunday, August 12, 2012

Captain McLurkypants and the Organ Leggers Grimm S1E10 Organ Grinder

Let's see if I can get through at least the most Renardcentric of these episodes before the premiere tomorrow! Not likely, but maybe.

Oh, and this episode, Organ Grinder, was written by the dear Akela Cooper. Hi Akela! Don't read this. I swear.

Despite this being one of the more impressive episodes with our dear Captain, he doesn't show up till over halfway through. The detectives are briefing him and the first glimpse we get is over his shoulder. I'd just like to note here that his computer keeps switching from a desktop with a CPU we don't see and a monitor and keyboard that we do see, to a laptop. I have no idea what's up with that, if there's a Watsonian or Doylist reason, or what. I'm going to just assume Doylist and it's not out of the realm of possibility that a busy police captain takes his work home with him on a laptop these days. Hell, half the cop cars I see have laptops in them with police officers writing reports.



Not In My Town: Grimm S1E12 Last Grimm Standing

Last Grimm Standing! Also known as the big reveal that Renard is a Prince of the Blood. Whose blood? We have no idea! Isn’t it great.